Since th new patch, with heroism added to valor, its even more obvious that this is PVP and valor is PVE.

I would take the champion's gear over the valor set.

If you look at the stats, the chest and the legs give you +3 crit chance as well as reducing hamstring cost.

valor is nice. but i think BG'ing yeilds more rewards than grinding all the instances that drop the blue set class items.

If tanking is more your deal, grabbing items with +DEF skill will benefit you more than valor will.

yea last time i posted that i had a few pieces of valor now that im posting i have full champions set and its amazing. my overall hp is 5600 and it looks good too =D thanx man

any one have a pic of this?

im not sure what to pick now valor or champion would anyone mind helping me out? i mean it seems like the champion gear is mostly in stam which isnt bad at all it just kinda lacks in the strength and agil department. Valor on the other hand is a good mix of all 3 but i guess i could add strength bonuses to the gloves and boots plus champions set looks really good =P

crapy

and your reason for posting that about our warriors shoulders that arent really that bad, considering set bonuses is? obviously with your 60 rogue/druid and a pally. your not about being a real class :P

ne1 got a pic of these shoulders

http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/fashion/legionnaires.PNG

thats the whole set